Tuesday, October 14, 2008

Playtime at the Track

This last Sunday, we went back to the track to have a little circuit fun, following a basic Fight Gone Bad format. We had four stations total with a one minute rest period, most consisting of paired exercises that were designed to stress similar parts of the body differently. This comes from one of Dan John's favorite training methods, with the simple idea that you make the athlete tired, then make them do something fast. Twight uses something similar called a "Litvinov Conversion," although that seems to specify a heavy deadlift or squat followed by a sprint.

In any case, the stations consisted of Tire flips/box jumps, L-pull ups/kipping pull ups, Shuttle runs/KB swings, and HSPU. Jon and I followed that with an interval workout of tire flips, box jumps, KB tosses, and shuttle runs. Shaul writes about the interval we used:

"Over the past month I've delved into Coach Vern Gambetta's "Athletic Development: The Art & Science of Functional Sports Conditioning."

Coach Gambetta discusses the 30/30 interval protocol extensively in his chapter on Energy and Work Capacity. First, he offers valuable insight into the concept of "work capacity."

"Conventional wisdom dictates that," Gambetta writes, "in order to build a sound training program, you must develop a large base of general fitness. There is no question of the validity of this; however, many training experts and coaches confuse building a training base with developing an aerobic base. Certainly an aerobic base is important for endurance athletes, but for nonendurance athletes an aerobic base is only part of the bigger picture .... The real goal is to build a strong foundation of general fitness that has specific transfer to the demands of the sport, position or event and considered individual needs. I prefer to conceptualize it as building a work capacity base that encompasses all aspects."

"Work capacity," Gambetta continues, "is the ability to tolerate a workload and recover from that workload." He gives work capacity three attributes:

(1) The ability to tolerate a high workload on a consistent basis.

(2) The ability to recover from the workload sufficiently for the next workout, or event.

(3) The ability to resist fatigue, whatever the source. "Fatigue is more than metabolic," Gambetta writes, "it involves the nervous system and mental capacity."

Drilling down even further, Gambetta describes three "conceptual terms" that help explain the idea of "work capacity."

The first is "capacity" which he defines as "the size of the tank." To increase capacity, Gambetta writes that you need to increase workout volume.

Second is "power" or, "the amount of energy that can be produced per unit of time. High intensity work increases "power" Gambetta writes.

Third is "efficiency" or "economy" which includes both metabolic efficiency and mechanical efficiency or good form. "Efficiency allows an athletes to work at a greater percentage of maximum with less energy cost."

Interval training, explains Gambetta, is the most effective method for a non-endurance athlete to build work capacity. The 30/30 workout, Gambetta describes as an "Extensive Interval Workout" which can significantly increase VO2 max and he attributes its invention to Veronique Billat.

Gambetta's description of the 30/30 interval protocol differs from the Gym Jones' approach in two areas.

First, Gambetta prescribes 30/30 intervals beginning at 20 rounds and increasing from there. Unlike Gym Jones, he doesn't limit the total number of intervals to 4 rounds.

Secondly, Gambetta wants his athletes to put 75-85% effort into the work intervals, not the full on intensity of 100% effort prescribed by the Gym Jones' 4x 30/30 or the Tabata protocol.

As the intervals progress, the heart rate of the athlete elevates, thus, with every succeeding interval, the athlete's heart rate is just a little higher at the beginning of the next interval. This just builds and builds."

the next interval. This just builds and builds."


Our next workout will be this coming Sunday, details TBA.

Yep, she's pregnant. And doing KB swings.

11 comments:

Bin said...

Did a workout from GJ:
"Bar Hop":
10x HSPU +
15x Front Squat @ 115# +
20x Pull-up +
15x Push Press @ 115# +
30x Burpee +
15x Sumo Deadlift Hi-Pull @ 115# +
40x Atomic Sit-up +
15x Back Squat @ 115#
- 17:54

Followed by snatch drills, then a merging ladder:
5 KB mutant makers (Clean, Front Squat, Push Press, 2x53lb)
10 Double unders
4 KBMM
20 DU
3 KBMM
30 DU
2 KBMM
40 DU
1 KBMM
50 DU

Then cheered on Dave and Dave through "Ryan." Both guys soldiered through.

ben said...

double day!
deadlifts in the morning up to 3x225lbs
squat cleans at 95lbs and GHDs in the evening
definitely gonna devote more time to olympic stuff in the future

Unknown said...

Don't confuse Billat's 30/30 method for developing general aerobic capacity with the 30/30 interval we use inside the gym to rehabilitate structural issues (DB push press) or miss the fact that our endurance athletes use this type of interval to train VO2 Max (@ 90-95% of MHR). These are apples, oranges, and kiwis even though each uses 30 seconds on, 30 seconds off.


Regards,
Mark Twight

Armando said...

I don't necessarily agree that the best way for a non-endurance athlete to increase his VO2 max is by extensive aerobic workouts. I think what we've been able to accomplish by increasing intensity with these kinds of interval WODs, rather than increasing the volume of total work done is much more efficient and takes us closer to our potential MHR every time. By making them any longer than what we use in the Tabata WODs, the body will not be as responsive to intensity and will rather settle into an endurance pace. This Vern guy seems rather contradictory.

Did the squat cleans with 115lbs yesterday...took less than 23 min...remembered to start the stopwatch at the beginning of the 2nd round. From then on it was 17:20.

Bin said...

@Armando:

Gambetta refers to this workout as an "Extensive Interval Workout," not an "Extensive Aerobic Workout." I think you may be using the misnomer to judge the ultimate goal of the workout structure. These are interval workouts done with the goal of increasing aerobic capacity.

If by Tabata WOD you're referring to CF, then their normal total work time is less than three minutes (8x20sec = 160sec) within a 4 minute span. Exceeding that time period can hardly be considered an endurance effort.

The interval workout Jon and I did consisted of 4 stations at 8 rounds each, totaling 16 minutes of work spread over twice that time period. Though we certainly lacked the equipment to check that we were operating at VO2max the entire period, Gambetta recommends a minimum 20 rounds (we did 32) and to increase it over time, while Billat found some runners were able to maintain vV02max over 18 minutes (of actual work time). Though neither of us have the capacity of professional athletes and our training goals aren't quite as specific, it would still be reasonable to believe that our set-up, based on Gambetta/Billat's methods, had the desired physiological benefit to VO2max and that we were able to maintain intensity (vV02max).

@MFT:

I understand the clarification between the 30/30 DBPP and the aerobic intervals you've used; the specific reference I made to you was in the "Litvinov Conversion." I realize that the "official" format is one of the "big lifts" followed by a run, but I wanted to see how people would react to the same principle applied in other ways: tire flips followed by box jumps, and L-pull ups followed by kipping pull-ups. We lacked real ways (namely equipment) to quantify results, but it was something I'm interested in coming back to as a metabolic stimulus.

One thing that I am unclear on, however, is that you seem to distinguish between Billat's 30/30 from the interval that you use for your endurance athletes to train VO2max (you indicate that I'm dealing with three different issues). As I understand it, Billat developed this method specifically to increase VO2max; are you differentiating between general aerobic capacity and VO2max?

Also, you mention that the 30/30 DBPP was intended to rehabilitate structural issues? I always assumed that the "active" rest was meant to push the anaerobic threshold of the muscle group involved. Am I mistaken, or did you also use that format to address specific problems in your athletes?

And finally, how did you find us? I always assumed that we were just a blip amongst all the others...

Dave Lewis said...

Did a scaled "Ryan" Monday after Sunday's fun at the track. 5 rounds for time: 4 ring PU's, 4 ring dips, 15 burpees. Switched to negatives on the ring dips part way through when the local muscle endurance gave out. Finished in 10:50 with some great encouragement from Bin. Thanks to Dave too for pushing through with me; definitely worked harder with that extra motivation.

Rest day yesterday. "Erin" today @25lbs DB's. Switched to jumping PU's for the last 1.5 rounds, again cause of muscle failure.
-14:34

Mr. Joshua tomorrow. I've heard this one sucks...

Unknown said...

I reciently moved to the area, and stumbled across you guys. I have been crossfitting for the past year, and am looking for some likr mindrd folks through some weight around with. I have been certified for just over 4 months.

My schedule is all over the place, but if anyone is interested in comparing schedules please shoot me an e-mail.

Do you guys have a time that you get together on a daily basis and knock these out?

Thanks,

Rich Laird
Lairdrh@gmail.com

Unknown said...

Billat developed the 30/30 to boost VO2 values in a less crushing way than the standard protocol, which requires longer sustained efforts at VO2 intensity. The sustained intervals (3-4x 3-4 min are tough to finish and hard to recover from. Also output declines over the course of the block.

The standout characteristic of her 30/30 method is the work intervals are done at the velocity (running) or power output (bike, etc) which, when maintained long enough produces max O2 consumption. Interval intensity is not governed by HR. Not only is VO2 trained but because movement speed is very fast during the work interval great neuromuscular coordination at faster-than-race-pace also develops. Neat.

Her idea has been interpreted in a lot of ways. Gambetta seems to have done so though I have not read of his work with it. If maintaining 75-80% of MHR throughout a minimum 20-minute block then speed/pace will necessarily decline as HR climbs. Your post suggested a minimum starting point of 20 min duration (his words). Of the already well-trained racers Billat used in her first study, the average time the group was able to sustain when using vVO2 pace was 19-20 minutes. A couple got to 25-27 but it was not the norm. Right there is a huge difference in the expression of the idea. Gambetta's method could be said to develop general aerobic capacity while vVO2 increases VO2 and improves economy

We use the 30/30 time line (1:1) in a bunch of ways as you have noted. Today we did a couple of different things. The fighters did 4x4-min of 30/30 at very high output, higher than would could maintain for longer, because it mimics fight output and intensity nicely. Each interval was progressively higher intensity than the previous (further on the rowing machine, or more calories on the AirDyne).

Josh and I went 30 min using 30/30. It's the end of the season so VO2 is fine but economy can always use a bump. He used speed as the control. I used power. So there are two different applications. Another would be to use longer blocks of 30/30 (6-8x) with power/speed as the control but also monitoring HR to stick in the 90-95% MHR window to boost VO2.

Finally, the 30/30 Push Press was developed originally as a shoulder rehab exercise. It grew into something else. Still, I never looked at it as training anaerobic capacity of specific muscle groups. The actual physical benefits may be limited but I think it teaches energy management very well. It's deceptive, which is always good. And teaches one to use the legs to drive the DBs because the shoulders are needed to maintain the "rest." If someone has problems understanding the value of the contribution of the legs and hips when pressing overhead this will cure them. And you can crush the biggest guy in the room with a set of 25# DBs.

How I ran across your site: Google Alert. But I'd never have written if I didn't like the energy.


Regards,
MFT

David Hargis said...

Thanks to Dave for the motivation & Bin for the encouragement & invaluable advice this past Monday. Skill drilling Ring Dips & HSPUs, actually doing a few now.

"Filthy Fifty"

50 Box jump, 24 inch box
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Knees to elbows
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Back extensions
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Burpees
50 Double unders

36:27

See everyone tomorrow.

ben said...

filthy fifty 33 min
fun tommorow at one!

Dave Lewis said...

New metcon workout that I tried last night...

Two rounds, each for time:
Streak lawn
10 clapping push-ups
Rest three minutes between rounds, while convincing friend, girlfriend, or random naked stranger to race you on the second round.

See everyone soon, pumped!